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ECHO reporter and Everton fan Greg O'Keeffe was six when the Blues last won the title. But with a European tour on the horizon and another season of drama at Goodison Park, he is a determined optimist.

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Posted by Greg O'Keeffe on March 31, 2008 12:14 PM | 

JUST an after-thought following the derby.
Can anyone who was at Anfield explain what happend to the Liverpool supporter who digged Phil Neville as he tried to take a throw-in?
Because I’d imagine he was ejected from the ground and banned for the rest of the season, right?

Finally, to conclude a depressing derby weekend, here’s a piece from The Times online on Saturday. It is written by Tony Evans, the newspaper's Liverpool-supporting deputy football editor.
I'm surprised, because by all accounts he is a decent fella.

Merseyside derby means more to Everton, but a good spanking wouldn't go amiss.


The big clash at Anfield has everyone talking. It's a big matchup of rivals who were once part of the same team but are now increasing bitter antagonists. Yes, Hicks v Gillett is turning out to be a stormer.
Everton? That's just a bit of local difficulty.
Of course, beating Everton will be a nice way of erasing the memories of last week and the events at Old Trafford. And it'll serve as a nice warm-up for a big Champions League clash with Arsenal.
But biggest game of the season? Only in the crazy world of the Bitter Blue.
Relations between the two sets of fans have deteriorated in recent years. It's increasingly hard to have a rational conversation with an Evertonian. The phrase, "If it wasn't for Heysel" has become a destructive mantra that has changed the nature of the relationship between the two sets of fans. For some, the shame of Brussels was that it stopped the 'People's Club' from claiming their rightful place as the best team in Europe. The 39 dead? Extras in Everton's "tragedy". It's deluded nonsense on so many levels but, for too many, it has come to be seen as the moment when Everton's destiny changed, when they were robbed of their chance to be a big club.
It has spawned a new ugliness in the city on derby day. Last year, there were Evertonians in the Anfield Road end making gestures mocking the Hillsborough dead and and holding up copies of The Sun to antagoinse the home fans. This was never quite "the friendly derby" of popular fiction but the younger elements on each side can't even remember a time when it felt cordial.
Which is a shame. Especially for those who remember the mid-80s. Then, for the FA Cup Final and Charity Shield games, thousands of Scousers arrived on the same trains at Euston, red and blue ski hats mixed up as we stated our collective identity with chants of "Merseyside".
The derby has become a much bigger game for Everton than us. And that galls them more than anything. Recalling the old days, I wish they weren't so resentful.
Looking forward, a good spanking at Anfield would put Everton in their place and make them even more bitter. I could live with that. All in the spirit of comradeship, of course...
TONY EVANS.’

Thanks for that contribution Tony. I think we now have the true definition of the word bitter. For the record, as you seem to have forgotten, the halycon mid-80’s ‘Merseyside’ FA Cup final you appear to be referring to was in 1986. The year after Heysel.

So, sorry can’t quite work out your argument here? Then again, this bile doesn’t bear analysis does it?

Of course The Times, like The Sun, is a Murdoch paper. Perhaps we shouldn't expect any better.

Comments (13)

Voice of Reason wrote...

Please tell me this is a joke - albeit a sick one.

Posted by: Voice of Reason  | March 31, 2008 12:42 PM

Blue Stu wrote...

A bitter and arrogant red (writing for his lord and master Murdoch)in blame-shifting exercise?!? I refuse to believe it!

Posted by: Blue Stu  | March 31, 2008 1:40 PM

Imre Varadi wrote...

"No, no, no. It wasn't us, guv. None of it. Heysel. Nicking tickets off them kids (they were wools, anyway).Storming the gates - and anything else that may have LOOKED like it was us."
Dear me. They'll be saying it wasn't one of them bitter reds that chucked that pie in my mush next.

Posted by: Imre Varadi  | March 31, 2008 1:44 PM

Mr Blue wrote...

No, Imre - that wasn't Liverpool fans who stormed the gates in Athens . . . it was Chelsea. They'd got lost. Or something.

Posted by: Mr Blue  | March 31, 2008 1:51 PM

Stuey wrote...

Did Phil definitely get smacked? Was it on captured on tv. It needs to be highlighted seeing as peole are banging on about "bitter Everton fans".

Posted by: Stuey  | March 31, 2008 3:07 PM

Dave wrote...

I don't get your point over the lad who digged Neville.

It was bang out of order and despite you sarky comment he will get done for it just like the lad who threw the ball away twice did.

Was the Joleon Lescott chant out or order? right it was.

But i'm baffled by the fact you seem to ignore the bile that pours from a large section of your fans at every derby inside and outside the ground. Where's your 'blog' codemning that? Or are you at the front of the pack ready to start the next murderers chant?

Posted by: Dave  | April 1, 2008 10:07 AM

Greg O'Keeffe wrote...

How do you know he will 'get done' for it?
I'm not aware of any steward intervening when Neville was digged so how can Anfield officials tell in retrospect who did it?
You're right though, I should have condemned the bile from our lot.
The chant about Gerrard's family is bang out of order.
That particular chants bothers me for loads of reasons and I've been tempted to blog on it for a while.
Not only is it unsavoury and mindless, I'd also prefer it if we sang abour our own players. I hate it when it is sang by blues at away matches.
It's just not worth getting into any more tit-for-tat arguments about chanting though.
Both sides are responsible for some very bad ones.
At least you have the decency to recognise that, and hopefully the majority of blues would also hold their hands up.

Posted by: Greg O'Keeffe  | April 1, 2008 11:27 AM

Greg Murphy wrote...

Well in, Greg, for reminding people that there were a string of post-Heysel friendly derbies (with the very first one being Phil Neal's tessie at Anfield in August 1985).

It's very, very rare that I'll ever trot Heysel out as a frame of reference; and indeed the only times I'll do so directly and verbally is when I'm getting a moral high-ground, sanctimonious lofty lecture attempting to convince me that Kopites are paragons of virtue and the Kop is a bastion of enlightenment. Only then, as a last resort, will I mention Heysel in a "stones and glass houses" type of way. We're no better or worse than each other. Of course, the moment you then even dare mention Heysel the lager gets spilt.

Similarly, if I hear any misguided young Blue banging-on about Hillsborough I refer them to Phil Scraton's book sharpish. Worst day of my footy following life.

About Evans, though, I've lost all respect for him. It's simply not true that EFC fans held up copies of The Sun at last season's Anfield derby. He's put it out there now, though, unchallenged. Dead smart!

Posted by: Greg Murphy  | April 1, 2008 5:58 PM

Norman McDowell wrote...

Attack the best form of defence.
Once again Rafa comes out with comments intended to upset the blue half of the city.
These comments had the sole purpose of deflecting attention from the incident's between the fans and Neville and the 'tackle' by Gerrard on Carsley when the 'boot' was left in and a 'stamping' occured, are the FA looking into it? I doubt it.
Respect is earned. Why should WE respect Gerrard when time and again he makes 'tackles' that would have other players sent off and he walks away chuckling to himself.
The Gerrard song has been around for years now, is he deaf? It is aimed at Gerrard and not his child.
It is supposed to 'put him off' his game which I have thought all along it would have the opposite effect. To sing it at all is madness it just spurs him on.
The Kop song about Carsley's child was disgusting and WAS ABOUT his child.

The Neville incidents are what scares Liverpool FC the most. Contact between the crowd and fans at such close quarters is not uncommon at British grounds but the 'line' was crossed when Liverpool fans spat at and punched Neville. I have seen the pictures of this on the net and what I find disturbing is all the onlookers who see this happening are REALLY enjoying it and they are not 'young thugs' and 'hoodlums'. The faces are of those you would 'think' were ordinary supporters.
Well if they all think its 'OK' its no suprise that UEFA think they're the worst fans in Europe.
It is a redution in crowd numbers (ie 1st four rows of seats left empty) that scares Liverpool FC, or worse a ban from using Anfield in European matches.
UEFA and the FA should be investigating this but will they? Ha as if. They are the 'rule change' kings thats for sure.
From a PROUD and VERY BITTER BLUE.

Posted by: Norman McDowell  | April 2, 2008 12:56 PM

Simon wrote...

Norman, I like to think I'm a pretty balanced, but that's a very biased comment.

First off, some of the chants and stuff from both sets of fans are ridiculous and whoever engages in it should be ashanmed.

Ive never seen Gerrard walking away from a bad tackle chuckling. All this stuff about the Carsley tackle - the player hasn't made anything of it, as there's nothing to make.
Yet, Blues scream murder about it. Outrage for outrage's sake.
And arguing over which chant is worse, the Gerrad one or the Carsley kid one? Do me a favour and grow up.
Both are pathetic, and of course that is chant about Gerrard's kid. Surely even you can see the implication of that...
Re; the Neville incident. Very simple, identify him, (not hard) and ban him. And I don't think Neville was that arsed anyway. Hardly made a song and dance about it, did he?

Posted by: Simon  | April 3, 2008 12:59 PM

Phil Leotardo wrote...

At the end of the day lads.......it gets dark.

Posted by: Phil Leotardo  | April 3, 2008 2:49 PM

big john wrote...

Just thinking it might be time to cash in on Arteta.
I played a match the other day with a right winger who had similar talents to him, imovable hair and perfect strip.
Great ability of invisibilty and totally one footed. I believe he is very cheap as well.
In the same game our centre foward had more up front than sophie howard.

Posted by: big john  | April 3, 2008 9:36 PM

Greg O'Keeffe wrote...

Maybe you're right there John. I think that right-winger defo had the same pin-up qualities as Arteta and a dreamy right foot.
His agent will be in the taxi on Sunday and says he'll be Everton's for £2.50 and a pint of Carling.

But can you explain why that team had a scruffy binman dressed as Compo from Last of the Summer's wine at centre-back?

Posted by: Greg O'Keeffe  | April 4, 2008 9:50 AM

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